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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about what yoga is

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each and every single person is going to

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have their own way of experiencing the

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kind of deeper realm of yoga and what

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i've realized is what we're exploring is

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not really yoga it's our own inner world

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and consciousness and it's just that

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there's this permission slip that yoga

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grants to explore that

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and what yoga isn't

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and down into pigeon

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pretend you're an animal

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even though you're a vegan and you hate

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animals push this knuckle into the

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that'll make these muscles feel much

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weaker keep your belly button drawn in

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and take nice deep breaths

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even though you can't do that when your

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belly button is drawn in

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i'm not telling you what to do i'm just

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saying maybe you want to

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very passive aggressively just melt your

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into a melting motion float the right

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no no you picked it up go back down and

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i want you to float it up

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just a little bit of a creepy touch

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notice that we both have very tight

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by the way that was awakened with jp who

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you can find on youtube hilarious

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hilarious stuff

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but of course the first clip was from

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today's guest sornanda who

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we're going to hear all about in his

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the yoga connection

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here goes

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers

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and their critics i'm your host alex

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sicaris and today

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we welcome

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my new dharma brother my fellow yogi

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the creator and host of the yoga

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connection podcast

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zornanda is here

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welcome man thanks for joining me

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thank you

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it's it's a pleasure to be here you know

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it's uh a year in the making and

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it's nice to

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now have the opportunity to sit down

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with you and chat so

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this is gonna be good

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yeah absolutely so uh you know let's

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start tell us a little bit about

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yourself

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the whole yogi experience yoga

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experience something i'm really into

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but also i kind of i just think somebody

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i've listened to some of your shows

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there's some very interesting stuff all

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over the place we could go so

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start just giving us a little bit of

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background on who you're i just learned

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that you're a canadian

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so i live in edmonton alberta and

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and i'm serbian i'm first generation

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of meditation and getting into kind of

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new age wave of uh energy and chakras

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the whole flower of life meditation that

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content spiritual information

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parents would always sit down with me

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meditation were you a lucid dreamer

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the dream itself but where my

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whim of what the dream does you know it

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practice and sat more and more in like

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the flower of life meditations and just

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meditations and noticeably have profound

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uh what i call phenomenal experiences

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path of synchronicity into

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yoga later in my life

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yeah it's interesting the reason i bring

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up the dream thing is you know i don't

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even know but it's interesting with the

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father-son thing or the parent something

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shamanistic kind of encounters in his

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dreams and stuff like that and then

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like it's so true it's interesting with

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new world and many more opportunities so

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that then allow me to be like oh i'm

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free to investigate right i can

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investigate buddhism i can investigate

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and played cards you know so he would go

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and play poker you know the drops of a

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church so we got this whole thing but

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the other thing that you kind of just

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mentioned is and i tell people this all

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the time and i tell my kids it's like

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when i was brought up

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we understood that we were not white

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we were greek right

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so here i am growing up outside of

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chicago

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one my ancestry is i'm only half

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greek if you want to call it that but

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that was my world because the world was

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centered around this church and this

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church was an ethnic identity of being

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greek and intertwined with that was

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greek orthodox and i thought

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you know as i've done all this the

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spiritual journeying that i've done it's

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so interesting for me to have that

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background but i see it kind of

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differently i see it as a as a mind

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control uh background and and not always

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in a bad way but in a pretty

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inauthentic way in a pretty much of a

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way to kind of

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control people or or shepherd people it

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wasn't really

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that the primary focus really wasn't on

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any kind of uh

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true spirituality that could come along

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as part of the ride but the real thing

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was about

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be in this group

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kind of protect each other

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kind of be in your clan be in your cult

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in kind of a good way so

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good way in bad way so i don't know any

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parallels there with what you saw and

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what you experienced

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yeah my what i noticed is

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there was no pressure on whether or not

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we went to church or

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we

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step in step with

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the serbian church in the city

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my parents really didn't care about that

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and

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their families taught them in

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understanding

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one

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important

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kind of saying from jesus is that

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your home can be your church as well

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that there's no

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how you believe in god and how you

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worship god can be done in the private

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of your home and the celebration of god

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in a church

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is something that doesn't have to be

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like forced upon at least that's what my

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parents have taught me

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and you know we would go to the serbian

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church here in edmonton periodically for

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like christmas and easter

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but

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i just really for my mom saying like

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your belief in god and your connection

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to god is in your heart

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and and that's her approach was with it

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and even though

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she still regularly regularly reads her

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bible she'll go through it and find

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passages that you know she that will

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help her in the day that cult-like

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mentality just wasn't there

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and that's where i feel grateful to have

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been able to

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have that kind of upbringing where

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there's it's really much more relaxed

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and i had this balance between my mother

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being religious and really deep believer

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in god

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and then my dad being much more

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scientific and much more logical and and

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so they both instilled these kind of

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beliefs in me of like

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yes there's god and yes the big bang

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happened and the universe is this old

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and you know we're on a planet

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circulating a sun and

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so

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it really helped me

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develop this understanding that

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we can appreciate the world that we're

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in in a scientific way and we can use

385
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the advancements that we have to measure

386
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where we are and what everything looks

387
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like and we can have mysterious events

388
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that happen

389
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where

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that scientific side has almost

391
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no method of measuring and understanding

392
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and then that's what really makes this

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whole place beautiful

394
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and strange right being a human

395
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yeah that's great and uh and well said

396
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on your part i guess you know i pinged

397
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you in in this kind of email exchange we

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did beforehand and

399
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you know i was trying to the skeptical

400
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thing so i'm kind of trying to knock you

401
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off your center a little bit yeah i i

402
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really like the way that you kind of

403
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,199
came back to it because i think there's

404
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a lot to kind of process here the whole

405
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uh yoga thing as i see it

406
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is

407
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susceptible to the same

408
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occultish

409
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co-opting that goes on in all these

410
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:42,480
other different traditions and all these

411
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:45,519
other different cults you know and

412
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i i see it as something that has to be

413
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actively resisted and first understood

414
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and then resisted and i really liked the

415
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way that you

416
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you didn't push back you did a very kind

417
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,480
of

418
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you know

419
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:03,920
i thought you were extremely open but

420
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:06,160
you were also just exploring

421
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how we can move forward in kind of this

422
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:09,600
uh

423
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,560
gentle way towards the deeper

424
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,279
truths that are a part of this tradition

425
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:18,000
because that's really what yoga is yoga

426
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,279
is just a tradition it's following some

427
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,880
people that have done some things in the

428
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:25,040
past and picking out bits and pieces of

429
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that so

430
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:28,720
you have a tremendous amount of

431
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,360
background in terms of yoga training

432
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:33,360
you've gone and you've done hundreds of

433
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hours of

434
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,480
training under different masters you've

435
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lived in other countries where they're

436
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immersed

437
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:42,000
themselves completely in this

438
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:45,279
and at the same time i think you're also

439
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,440
still very much somebody who's on a

440
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:49,279
journey and

441
00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,480
maybe not

442
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:52,480
married to any of those traditions

443
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,440
completely which i think is is really

444
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:57,759
essential to all this so tell us a

445
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:59,920
little bit about what yoga means to you

446
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:01,839
what it has meant to you

447
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:02,720
and

448
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,039
when i look back at

449
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,679
i'd say the beginning of my journey in

450
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:13,919
exploring meditation and getting into

451
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:15,839
yoga

452
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:17,839
is

453
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,839
know something more about where i am and

454
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:27,360
who i am

455
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,480
and

456
00:18:11,110 --> 00:17:29,440
i

457
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:11,120
and

458
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,880
yoga shined more in my mind because of

459
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,720
the physical practice

460
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,200
and just knowing what my upbringing was

461
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,600
of being really athletic

462
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,760
being a skateboarder and a snowboarder

463
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:27,600
and getting out of all those sports i

464
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,160
still wanted to maintain some kind of

465
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athleticism and that's where yoga kind

466
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,919
of fit into that piece at the beginning

467
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,360
and

468
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:39,919
what i started to notice is there's this

469
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,240
unraveling of opportunities to travel

470
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,559
and to explore

471
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,000
what

472
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,120
yoga can be in my life as more than just

473
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a physical practice and

474
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:56,799
because i was still very much

475
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:00,320
researching a lot of new age stuff like

476
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,039
outer body experiences and

477
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,039
channeling and

478
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,400
entities and and so forth

479
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,760
that

480
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:11,840
the synchronicities of these

481
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:14,640
opportunities coming up to travel

482
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,679
were then pairing my intention to go

483
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,160
somewhere for yoga so say for example to

484
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,480
thailand to copenhagen

485
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,799
where that was my first significant

486
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,960
international travel and it was to

487
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:29,280
attend the agama yoga school on the

488
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island

489
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,400
and

490
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,240
with my intention of going specifically

491
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,000
for yoga

492
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,440
then

493
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,039
there were these other kind of

494
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,880
phenomenal experiences that happened as

495
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:43,120
well so i just i found that yoga was

496
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,760
this bridge or this kind of connecting

497
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,720
piece

498
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,200
to continuously

499
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,039
bring about these

500
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,520
spiritual learning lessons that opened

501
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,799
my mind to

502
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:57,200
allow me to understand that living this

503
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,160
life

504
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,840
even though we have to participate in

505
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,480
the mundane world of like having a job

506
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:04,559
paying bills blah blah blah

507
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,320
that there is an internal

508
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,000
deeper

509
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:12,320
levels of of experience that doesn't

510
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,760
really involve other people like

511
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,159
it's it's kind of a paradox in

512
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,600
in trying to understand it because

513
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,200
obviously it does involve up with other

514
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,039
people because you're meeting and having

515
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conversations with people

516
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,679
but the decisions that for example i was

517
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,320
making to go to thailand and go to this

518
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,720
yoga school there were these experiences

519
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:35,120
that i was having that only i knew i was

520
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,240
having

521
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,480
and it's similar to

522
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,720
having a profound lucid dream

523
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,080
that

524
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,400
you're asleep in the middle of night and

525
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,320
you're having this profound experience

526
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,000
of this dream of you know being on

527
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,760
another planet or being in another world

528
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:51,039
or whatever

529
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:52,080
that

530
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,600
taking place whether you want to be

531
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,760
aware of it or not so

532
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,280
i just found that yoga was really

533
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,440
helping bridge into the spiritual

534
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,640
development that other kind of religions

535
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:07,840
or

536
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:11,679
couldn't at that time

537
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,799
yeah i mean i still think we're kind of

538
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,400
i don't know if we're adding more to the

539
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,039
confusion about what yoga is and we

540
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,200
probably have different understandings

541
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,080
of

542
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,320
what yoga is

543
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,320
you know when i started doing yoga it

544
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,159
was i don't know

545
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,799
over 30 years ago i'll just start that

546
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,039
and uh i had a fantastic first yoga

547
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,799
teacher which everyone must have if

548
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,240
you're going to really

549
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,480
get it it's like

550
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,880
a gambling addict who you know has a

551
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:42,240
great experience that first time and

552
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,440
they can't get rid of it so if you have

553
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,960
a really good teacher at the beginning

554
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,320
they can kind of hook you into this

555
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,720
experience but i remember

556
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,440
uh fortunately for me this is back like

557
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:53,919
back this is back in dallas texas

558
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:56,559
and my teacher like all the teachers

559
00:22:03,190 --> 00:21:59,919
back then had gone to india you know so

560
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:03,200
this guy bksiengar he was his

561
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,240
kind of

562
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,400
guy so and

563
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
people don't know because iyengar along

564
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,960
with patabhi joyce are

565
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,440
two of the most influential yoga

566
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,360
teachers in the west

567
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,840
period in terms of the asana the

568
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,760
physical practice of yoga i mean if you

569
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,480
want to go back to yogananda who lives

570
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,679
right up his ashram his spiritual energy

571
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,440
is still right up the road from me here

572
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,280
you know that goes back but in terms of

573
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,840
this tradition of this physical

574
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,080
tradition it doesn't go back that far

575
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,240
really it really only goes back 150

576
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,320
years or so and a lot of was influenced

577
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,080
by these guys were indian were

578
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,159
influenced by british gymnastics you

579
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,000
know so they kind of incorporated that

580
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,760
and when people try and go back and say

581
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,600
these asanas are ancient they're just

582
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,760
they're just not we just don't have any

583
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,240
real record of that we have a couple of

584
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,559
people sitting in lotus poses

585
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,159
that are a thousand years old but we

586
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,480
don't have that long tradition of

587
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,240
stringing these things together and all

588
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,919
the rest that but i don't think that

589
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,080
matters that doesn't matter to me but

590
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,919
anyways back to my thing

591
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,480
so one when i first started

592
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:11,760
all the teachers were grounded in

593
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,440
this experience this very kind of

594
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,240
rigid fundamentalist kind of hindu you

595
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,559
have to do it this way you have to go in

596
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,600
india you have to go through these long

597
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,000
you know arduous kind of trainings with

598
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,000
your master and all the rest that and

599
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,799
then the other thing is uh

600
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,200
awesome women yoga teachers so many

601
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,120
awesome women yoga teachers but back

602
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,440
then it was all men and like the classes

603
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,679
were almost all men and then women

604
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,760
started coming in more and more but

605
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,600
like the first class side side they were

606
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,679
all dallas cowboy football players these

607
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,919
old jocks who were you know just

608
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,039
didn't

609
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,679
they had a sense that their physical

610
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,200
nature was somehow connected to

611
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,080
that

612
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,679
because anyone who's physically involved

613
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,440
you're a skateboarder

614
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,760
snowboarder i mean you know that like

615
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,760
completely it's all about the mind-body

616
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,760
connection so you're trying to reconnect

617
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,440
with that and these guys were trying to

618
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,279
reconnect with that

619
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,200
and in the process of reconnecting with

620
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,440
that they're really connecting with

621
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,440
consciousness and when you're connecting

622
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,919
with consciousness then you're starting

623
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,400
to open up the door to kind of this

624
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,200
greater spirituality so

625
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,840
i i guess

626
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,679
what i want to make sure we

627
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,840
or i get my two cents in which i just

628
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,080
did is that

629
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,799
we've continued i think in some ways to

630
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:37,760
kind of

631
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,520
confuse people about what yoga is you

632
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:42,400
know

633
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,200
and

634
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:45,679
people who are kind of into really into

635
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,480
yoga

636
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,000
they get

637
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,880
one upset that all the instagram yogis

638
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,120
and the youtube yogis and you know the

639
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,880
the girl in tights who's you know has a

640
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
really hot body and

641
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,400
guys and girls if you want to tune in

642
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,080
you can get a hot body like that too and

643
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,159
you can you know really work get a good

644
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
workout and in some ways there's nothing

645
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,080
wrong with that and in other ways like

646
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,400
my yoga teachers told me all along is

647
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,440
like

648
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:12,480
great

649
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,799
entered the stream and that all the

650
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,320
streams lead to the rivers and all the

651
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:19,919
rivers lead to the ocean there's only

652
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,720
one ocean so if you jump on the path if

653
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,799
you jump on a youtube if you jump on the

654
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,080
instagram

655
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,720
you're on the path so it doesn't really

656
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,960
matter that what is

657
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,000
what is the big step is either

658
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,440
to continue with the other metaphor

659
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,600
either being in the river or being out

660
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,159
being out of the river so i'm just kind

661
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,320
of rambling there but what are your

662
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,799
thoughts on on any of that and and how

663
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:47,039
we're interfacing with

664
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,880
what yoga is in our modern culture

665
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,080
my yoga teacher likes to say all yoga is

666
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,360
good yoga

667
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:57,600
and

668
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,720
i'm fortunate to have to have him as a

669
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,880
teacher because of

670
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,840
the combination of

671
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,919
authentic teaching of being from the

672
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,840
himalayas and

673
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,080
growing up as a yogi from the age of

674
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:15,600
like six years old until now

675
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,880
being authentic in the sense of

676
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,520
really being consistent in his messaging

677
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,559
and

678
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,400
really maintaining this lighthearted

679
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,919
attitude

680
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,520
and

681
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:28,880
what i've

682
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:31,760
you know realized and witnessed in my

683
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,919
journey of of yoga is that

684
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,559
the first step in that

685
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,720
first

686
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,279
opportunity and for me it was you know a

687
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,679
yoga class in my university and seeing

688
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,480
just like how i felt after work i think

689
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,919
from there

690
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,679
depending on just who you are as a

691
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,480
person

692
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,240
and

693
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,559
fundamentally what your belief system is

694
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,760
like

695
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,919
whether or not you choose to go deeper

696
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,520
into

697
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,559
wanting to explore the world of yoga

698
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:05,440
is

699
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,480
your own effort right so

700
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,559
you know just like jumping into the

701
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,960
stream or the creek or the river you

702
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,960
might just stay there and that just

703
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,880
might be your yoga journey and

704
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,960
experience for the rest of your life and

705
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:22,240
that's fine

706
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,039
or

707
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,600
you might take a look at the river and

708
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,919
look at where it's going and where the

709
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,000
stream of that river is going and say

710
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
you know what i'm

711
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,520
gonna let go of the edge and i'm gonna

712
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,600
see where this river takes me

713
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,399
and so on and so forth where your

714
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,320
journey into

715
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,200
really uncovering what yoga is is

716
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:45,279
personalized and it's subjective right

717
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:46,159
so

718
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:46,880
i

719
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,520
but that won't really matter because

720
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,840
each and every single person is going to

721
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,799
have their own way of of experiencing

722
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,720
the kind of deeper realm of yoga and

723
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:02,880
what i've realized is what we're

724
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,919
exploring is not really yoga it's our

725
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,720
own inner world and consciousness and

726
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:10,640
it's just that there's this permission

727
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,240
slip that yoga grants to explore that

728
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,240
it's it's like a program that we're

729
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:17,840
putting in you know it's like this new

730
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,880
software and you know that program that

731
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,919
software

732
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,399
is geared towards

733
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:27,200
uncovering something within ourselves it

734
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,240
seems

735
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,000
i love that permission slip i think

736
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,080
that's great i wrote that down you know

737
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,480
one of the things i i sent you is this

738
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:36,480
you know my favorite yogis

739
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,760
uh wim hof and mickey singer uh mickey

740
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,200
singer because he's rich he's a

741
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,200
billionaire and he made it all himself

742
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:45,360
while he was a yogi

743
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,039
and uh wim hof because he flies under

744
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,960
both these guys fly under the radar as

745
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,120
being yogi's and one of the things like

746
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:55,200
i love about wim hof's rich too which is

747
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,159
good

748
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,200
but and got rich from kind of doing yoga

749
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,799
really

750
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,279
but the thing about wim hof and the

751
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,320
permission slip is that

752
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,640
wim hof is about creating experiences

753
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,600
for people so if you go watch if you go

754
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,760
go to youtube and you

755
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,240
google wim hof all you see are these

756
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:17,760
kind of very

757
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,200
western kind of doer stuff world record

758
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,440
hold your breath i'm hooked up to the

759
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,000
science labs and isn't this great and

760
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,320
all the benefits that and i'm gonna have

761
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,760
a beer with

762
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,760
joe rogan and all the rest that stuff

763
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,279
but go look back

764
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,880
go talk type in wim hof yogi and he says

765
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,600
yeah i was 16 years old i was in the

766
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,679
netherlands i was like cutting out

767
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,559
pictures of these indian yogis to make

768
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,320
my own yoga book because i didn't have a

769
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,360
yoga book and i was all about yoga yoga

770
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,440
yoga as a way of

771
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,480
a path into any way to get into this

772
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,120
thing that we're talking about is this

773
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,679
conscious experience that i'm having

774
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,520
because we have to contrast that with

775
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,399
what you are being told what your dad is

776
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,240
being told in all his scientific

777
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,960
training is that there is no conscious

778
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:11,760
experience that chatter is it's an

779
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,520
illusion it's just your brain firing so

780
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,720
the the the reprogramming for that i

781
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,840
think is the dramatic shift that yoga

782
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,080
allows us so what i think is so

783
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,120
fantastic about what wim hof has done is

784
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,360
wim hof has distilled it down to i'm

785
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,039
going to give you experience

786
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,880
come here and breathe with me for 15

787
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,039
minutes in this way and hold your breath

788
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,399
in this way which probably isn't the

789
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,559
best way to breathe and to hold your

790
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,720
breath if you really consult with people

791
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,720
who know that but you will have an

792
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,279
experience and that will experience will

793
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,360
put you at a decision point at which you

794
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,440
will have to say

795
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,679
did i have an experience was there a me

796
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:52,720
in there

797
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:58,159
and why am i here and then the next

798
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,360
thing he's going to do he's going to put

799
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,519
you in that cold water

800
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,440
and then say you got all that chattering

801
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,960
going on in your head saying you can't

802
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,240
do it or you shouldn't do it or you're

803
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,519
not comfortable

804
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,279
i'm going to put you in and you will

805
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,600
have that experience and that experience

806
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,720
will generate that decision point and to

807
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,440
me

808
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,000
that's what yoga is always about it's

809
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,159
always about that decision point it's

810
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,399
always about if i bend this way

811
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,960
will i break if i bend this way will i

812
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,279
fall if i bend this way

813
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:30,320
will i experience something different

814
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,880
i think part of letting go is that we're

815
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,519
actually all personally

816
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,320
responsible for our own evolution

817
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,760
and

818
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:42,640
i think

819
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:45,919
when we think of evolution

820
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,080
there's this grand scale of an

821
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,640
experience of like millions of years

822
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,080
right it's and it's

823
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:56,880
really from the scientific community and

824
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,080
investigating the evolution of humanity

825
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,080
but i think the scale of evolution is

826
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,320
both micro and macro

827
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,720
and i think what yoga does is it

828
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:10,960
provides a solution

829
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,480
regarding how we're evolving

830
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,880
on a day-to-day basis

831
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,200
even though we're not seeing our bodies

832
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,799
change and how our body changed over a

833
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,640
gradual period of time is within our

834
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:25,919
lifetime

835
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,880
and that's still i think an evolution

836
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,519
it's a personalized evolution

837
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,480
and

838
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,480
when we look at the trifecta between our

839
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:37,360
body and our mind and our spirit

840
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,399
is that when yoga is plugged into those

841
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,000
three

842
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,240
we can see that there's an evolution

843
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,480
taking place on those three parts of

844
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,760
ourselves so

845
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,720
over you know five years of doing a 10

846
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,799
years of doing a physical practice we

847
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,120
see how our body changes we see how we

848
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,159
become more flexible and more limber

849
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,679
more fit

850
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:01,679
and

851
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,840
the evolution that takes place in our

852
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,159
mind from then going into meditation and

853
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:11,440
seeing that our reaction to things are

854
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,799
different because we've learned to

855
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,360
not react to all the

856
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,679
sensation in our body from sitting in

857
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,120
postures for so long at least that's

858
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720
what i've noticed for myself

859
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,880
and then when it comes to spirit

860
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,919
we're starting to then get into

861
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,240
what the nature of our own experience of

862
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,880
our spirit is and how that

863
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,200
within that there's an evolutionary

864
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,960
component to it and so when i look at

865
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,200
someone like wim hof which i have over

866
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,440
the last like several years

867
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:42,559
is

868
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,760
it's almost like he's showing that the

869
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,919
rate of that evolution can be

870
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,440
manipulated

871
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,000
and that with all these really powerful

872
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:54,960
breathing techniques is that you can

873
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,480
enter into a state where

874
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,200
seems scientifically impossible

875
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,440
right where in order for you to be just

876
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,200
a normal human being at the whim of your

877
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,519
autonomic nervous system that suddenly

878
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,119
you can do this 15-minute breathing

879
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,200
technique and you're almost impervious

880
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,240
to cold and extreme temperature and that

881
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,679
almost seems like that would be an

882
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:17,760
evolutionary trait that's built over a

883
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,440
long period of time where you as a human

884
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,520
through generations build up that

885
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,280
tolerance and maybe your great great

886
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,720
great great great great grandchildren

887
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:28,800
have that but he's showing that there's

888
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,359
a system that you can utilize where you

889
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,320
can rapidly go into that new state of

890
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,000
being

891
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,639
yeah except that he's kind of doing the

892
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:41,510
old yoga trick the breathing don't mean

893
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,190
you can jump in that water whether you

894
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,639
breathe or not

895
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,879
and yeah i i love i love some of his

896
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,440
videos that he has where you know he'll

897
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,879
suddenly pull the rug out from under

898
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,720
people and go okay we're going in the

899
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,159
water and they go

900
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,159
wait a minute what about the magical

901
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,800
breathing technique that will prevent me

902
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:00,960
from hypothermia yeah you don't need it

903
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,720
just jump in that is yoga right

904
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,040
that is yoga and that is the trickster

905
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,400
because there is this trickster element

906
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,640
to yoga too you know it's like i love

907
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,640
what you're saying about micro and and

908
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,520
macro evolution i think it's it's really

909
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:16,960
true and i think it's a very deep

910
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,359
insight you have many really great

911
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,040
insights about this practice because

912
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,119
you're obviously

913
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,599
very very developed in your practice and

914
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,280
it comes through when you talk about it

915
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,119
in a very deep way

916
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:31,280
but there are so many jumping off points

917
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,320
to this

918
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,040
life lesson that can be wrapped around

919
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,400
these experiences associated with yoga

920
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,400
yeah and i think that's

921
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,400
personal conditioning right

922
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,400
why it is that

923
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,119
we believe that we're so limited

924
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,160
and

925
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,839
that

926
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,839
something like

927
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,680
ice cold water

928
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,839
is gonna have such a strong negative

929
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,240
effect but you know i i i no i think

930
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,560
that miss i'm sorry that misses the

931
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,599
point

932
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,040
breathing does help

933
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,599
and it does dramatically shift your mind

934
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,599
and put you in a better state in all the

935
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,320
ways that you were talking about what i

936
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,280
think he's pointing out is the the leap

937
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,240
you know the quantum leap which is

938
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,640
essentially what we're talking about is

939
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,359
all

940
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,880
mental stuff

941
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,520
there isn't any physical stuff so at any

942
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,839
point we can jump out of the physical

943
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,800
and say i don't need any of that and if

944
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,040
you have what i think it is if you're

945
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:35,680
with wim hof he has enough physical

946
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,119
presence and energy to pull you along

947
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,200
i wouldn't recommend that someone go and

948
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:42,720
jump in that

949
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,400
35 degree water without going through

950
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,920
his exact

951
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,400
protocol and without training

952
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,800
but there are some people that again

953
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,520
kind of shatter all the rules

954
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,920
because they have that energy associated

955
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,800
with them

956
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,960
well there's obviously a level of

957
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:03,920
preparation that's needed say with wim

958
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,880
hof and doing what he's done right so

959
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,880
and this was obviously something that

960
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,960
was lifelong in his pursuit of like

961
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,520
you're saying being 16 years old and

962
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,839
like obsessing about yoga

963
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,480
is that for him to get to the point

964
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,000
where he's

965
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,800
breaking world records and he's doing

966
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,760
like marathons in the winter in his

967
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,400
shorts and climbing everest and swimming

968
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,599
under in like frozen lakes

969
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:32,960
is

970
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,599
everything that led up to those moments

971
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:36,480
and

972
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,160
every day he goes to condition himself

973
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,720
to prepare for that it's like i'm

974
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,320
starting to think as well it's really no

975
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,320
different than any athlete that's

976
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,839
preparing for

977
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:50,400
a long distance run or

978
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,680
like

979
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,760
whatever it takes to condition yourself

980
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,000
so that when you're right in the moment

981
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,640
of performing that task

982
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,720
you are not going to be

983
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,839
influenced by

984
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,839
the chatter within your mind that's

985
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,480
going to prevent you from succeeding

986
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,640
right so of course

987
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,800
you couldn't expect someone who's never

988
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,920
done any of that stuff to then try to

989
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:18,160
emulate right in the moment what wim hof

990
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,040
does

991
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,880
because it would be like telling a

992
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,119
toddler who just learned how to walk to

993
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,640
suddenly ride a bike right that then

994
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,560
that toddler is going to need to go

995
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,560
under do or undergo some kind of

996
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,760
training in order to actually

997
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,599
successfully get onto the bike and start

998
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,000
riding it as soon as it's set in then

999
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,400
that toddler can go off and that toddler

1000
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,240
can ride the bike freely

1001
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,400
and so

1002
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,599
i think

1003
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,079
that there's this threshold

1004
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,280
where there's like anomalies

1005
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,359
where there are people

1006
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:53,680
for whatever reason

1007
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
can jump in without that training and

1008
00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:59,440
you know in the world of yoga it can be

1009
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,040
explained as like karma you know that it

1010
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:05,520
was just in their karma it's like they

1011
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,200
were this yogi and a past life whatev

1012
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,599
regardless if that's true or not that

1013
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,839
there are these anomalous people that

1014
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,240
for whatever reason they're already

1015
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,720
settled in a state of mind that allows

1016
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,119
them to do those things without having

1017
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,359
to do the arduous training that wim hof

1018
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,480
did and i think that has to go

1019
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,480
to show

1020
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,920
what wim hof's presence is doing

1021
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,480
and i think this is where it goes into

1022
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,560
the influence of consciousness of

1023
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,880
someone like wim hof who is engaging

1024
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,240
with millions of people through his

1025
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,920
social media and his videos is that

1026
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,839
there's i'm going to use this word again

1027
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:48,480
there's this permission slip to then

1028
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:51,920
allow yourself to absorb everything that

1029
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,040
he's done without having to do all of it

1030
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,320
and to fast track into something that

1031
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
for him has taken you know a couple

1032
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,359
decades to do and that's not to say that

1033
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,760
you know these people are breaking world

1034
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,520
records is that they're given this

1035
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:10,400
permission slip to not have to do all of

1036
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:14,000
that work to just like get right into it

1037
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,040
i don't know

1038
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,359
there's a lot

1039
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,319
a lot to hash out here that you know

1040
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,240
which is what is beautiful about yoga

1041
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,520
there's so many

1042
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,680
so many things to explore and you know

1043
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,040
kind of set up your tent wherever you

1044
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,119
want so i'm going to shift gears a

1045
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,480
little bit because i think it brings

1046
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,319
this back to focus in a different way

1047
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:34,400
and it really isn't a shift of gears but

1048
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,880
so i started yoga in uh dallas and i was

1049
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,119
very fortunate had a very good teacher

1050
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:43,200
who was very connected to

1051
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,319
be kasayangar and brought bks anger over

1052
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,720
to dallas and you know we did some

1053
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,599
uh

1054
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,319
sessions with him and it was interesting

1055
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,319
to be in his presence guys kind of a

1056
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,760
jerk you know it's known for kind of

1057
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,359
slapping people around and stuff like

1058
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,119
that which immediately

1059
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,119
raises questions you know if this guy is

1060
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,040
the ultimate master

1061
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,000
why is he still he's kind of control

1062
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,480
anger issues you know it ain't worked

1063
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,880
out for you yet at 80. so anyways i come

1064
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,599
out move out to san diego

1065
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,400
north county san diego love it out here

1066
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,440
more yoga studios especially when i came

1067
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,960
out here you know the yoga wasn't as

1068
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:22,400
popular

1069
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:26,400
just more yoga studios per mile for on

1070
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:29,839
101 than any place in the world and

1071
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,880
petaby joyce had had a very big

1072
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:34,720
influence here because he had come in

1073
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:35,440
his

1074
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,640
trips to the to the west was here north

1075
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,640
county and again

1076
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,319
found another i found another great

1077
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,560
teacher who was a direct

1078
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,520
disciple of patabhi joyce and i started

1079
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:51,839
getting into um

1080
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:55,680
what they call lyengar uh yoga to very

1081
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,680
set sequence of uh of breathing and and

1082
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,040
asanas

1083
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:02,880
and so anyways

1084
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,720
great experience loved it learned a lot

1085
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,880
and a few years ago so that skeptica has

1086
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,680
been my other yoga experience so a few

1087
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,640
years ago i had the chance to interview

1088
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,920
this wonderful yogi woman annika lucas

1089
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,520
who by the way you guys have heard me

1090
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,040
mention annika before and she just

1091
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,040
published a memoir which is incredibly

1092
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,119
brave for her to do because she was the

1093
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:30,079
woman who was a victim of

1094
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,359
being sold

1095
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,760
and as a sex slave at like six seven

1096
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:36,319
years old by her mother she was in

1097
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,440
belgium

1098
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,319
and you know the whole dutrow kind of

1099
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,160
elitist uh

1100
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,319
world leader kind of things but real

1101
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,760
stuff just real satanic sexual

1102
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,800
abuse anyway and yoga

1103
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,960
her practice now is she goes into

1104
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,640
prisons the prison system in new york

1105
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,040
and helps women through yoga because a

1106
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
lot of women especially ones who have

1107
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,240
been sexually

1108
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,319
abused assaulted you know have all these

1109
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,280
issues with space and physical and kind

1110
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:06,560
of stuff like that so she's doing all

1111
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,160
this tremendous work anyways

1112
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,359
annika tells me just kind of in passing

1113
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,119
because i brought up the yoga thing this

1114
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,760
thing she goes yeah but toby joyce what

1115
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,400
a creep he sexually molested me you know

1116
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,240
sexually assaulted let's say because she

1117
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,920
was a grown woman

1118
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,440
when it happened

1119
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,560
and i'm like

1120
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,920
whoa

1121
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,319
could this possibly be true i mean i've

1122
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:32,880
had i've been in the room with bitabi

1123
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,160
joyce and i've been in a ton of

1124
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,280
yangar uh classes could all these people

1125
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,319
be following this kind of very rigid

1126
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,800
stand-up tall proud

1127
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,400
indian yogi

1128
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,040
and the guy's really you know that

1129
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,359
so go anyone can go google this the

1130
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,920
guy's a creep annika lucas isn't the

1131
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,280
first one who said this there's

1132
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,520
literally a hundred women that have come

1133
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,400
forward and said this guy's a creep

1134
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,119
and we know that so many of these yogi's

1135
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,680
particularly ones that come over from

1136
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,160
but also ones from any place else that

1137
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,560
want to kind of put all the trappings of

1138
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,839
yoga on

1139
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,400
are doing all this stuff well that's not

1140
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,000
a very

1141
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,800
spiritually developed kind of thing to

1142
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,920
do

1143
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:23,040
so i think the whole thing about

1144
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,160
you know

1145
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,000
understanding what we're getting into

1146
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,319
here understanding the spiritual process

1147
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:29,599
understanding

1148
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,079
this yoga you know what i

1149
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,400
mean we're all in this stream and it's

1150
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,880
nice to put up this tent and say there's

1151
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,640
a certain tradition

1152
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,760
of what

1153
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,760
thought in a certain tradition that's

1154
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,560
been followed but if you think you're

1155
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,200
gonna just get in there and it's all

1156
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,880
gonna be good

1157
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,440
no it just it doesn't work like that it

1158
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,440
works like the rest of the world works

1159
00:45:02,710 --> 00:44:59,280
which is

1160
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,720
you better be aware of uh what's going

1161
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,440
on around you and you better be

1162
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,400
responsible for your own

1163
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,119
experience because no one else is it's

1164
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,720
people will try and take advantage of

1165
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,440
you

1166
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,000
choice

1167
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,880
yeah i'm quite familiar with them that

1168
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,040
was the one thing that i made sure to

1169
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,040
study just regarding like the history of

1170
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,000
yoga and who came out to the west and

1171
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,480
and when you know we're i was mentioning

1172
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,720
this i think in the emails of just my

1173
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,480
belief that there are these waves of

1174
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,599
yoga

1175
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,880
that have come

1176
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,720
uh into the west starting with

1177
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:39,920
vivekananda and yogananda and then

1178
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:43,599
uh secondly with bitabi joyce and bks

1179
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:47,599
angar and bikram and

1180
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,560
i can't help but think that

1181
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,000
there's

1182
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:54,720
this underlining connection involving

1183
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:57,760
some of these like federal agencies

1184
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,440
in america where you have to think that

1185
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,960
the let's say starting with like

1186
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,839
vivekananda and yogananda coming to the

1187
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,960
west

1188
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,079
they were

1189
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:11,200
actually quite highly successful in

1190
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,079
their

1191
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,040
pursuit so they each were

1192
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,440
presenting to thousands of people in

1193
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,400
universities where vivekananda had the

1194
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,920
shortest amount of span of time in uh

1195
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,800
united states i think it was like just a

1196
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,520
few years where yogananda was in the

1197
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:32,319
united states um

1198
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
uh initially i think from like the 20s

1199
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,800
all the way up into the 40s right like

1200
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:41,599
so he i think the 50s didn't he die in

1201
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,680
the 50s i think yeah i think he was

1202
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,480
yeah in the 50s that's right but what i

1203
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,280
what i

1204
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,000
considered is that if you are the

1205
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,400
government and you're seeing these two

1206
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,400
mystics come to united states and have

1207
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,599
such a influence on

1208
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:01,760
philosophy and way of thinking and way

1209
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,040
of being and you just see

1210
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,160
you're the americans flooding to these

1211
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,119
like mystics that

1212
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:14,079
when the second iteration of this comes

1213
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:14,800
in

1214
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,079
about that you'd want to ensure that how

1215
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,079
yoga is starting to develop and spread

1216
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,000
that you'd have some control over it and

1217
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,760
that's why i think

1218
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,760
with uh specifically with these three

1219
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,880
type of joy cyangar and and bikram is

1220
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,800
that out of

1221
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,960
you know all the people who are starting

1222
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,480
to teach yoga

1223
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,440
they are the three primary teachers and

1224
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,119
they are just

1225
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,760
they just become multi-millionaires

1226
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:44,800
and

1227
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,520
he never became a multi-millionaire i

1228
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:51,839
mean maybe his grandkids have but none

1229
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,559
of those guys ever had any money

1230
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,720
well and that could be just something

1231
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,040
missing in my perception of how they

1232
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,119
were going around teaching the way that

1233
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,000
they were teaching and charging because

1234
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,640
definitely with bikram you know

1235
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,280
he's out of the three who reap the

1236
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,520
benefits for sure of doing ten thousand

1237
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,480
dollar a person trainings and and well

1238
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,240
bikram bikram was a different case

1239
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,240
because in no that's what i would say i

1240
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,079
mean one of my things is we're all

1241
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:23,200
leading rich spiritual lives

1242
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,920
so

1243
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,960
you know

1244
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,480
that doesn't mean we're all leading good

1245
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,559
good spiritual lives we're all reading

1246
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,880
leading rich and the chatter goes on you

1247
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,960
know so like you can have your kundalini

1248
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,040
experience five years ago

1249
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:37,200
great that doesn't mean in terms of

1250
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,880
right now at 11 51 a.m

1251
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,280
you are in your body you are in your

1252
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,680
space you are now you know that's all

1253
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,920
there is and that is more or less

1254
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,400
meaningless we all know that and yet

1255
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,800
sometimes we kind of forget that and

1256
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,160
want to again elevate these

1257
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,480
extended experiences into something more

1258
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:00,400
than getting you out of your the

1259
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:04,160
situation that you're in but anyways

1260
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:06,200
he was he was a mercedes he was a

1261
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,760
mercedes-benz

1262
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,440
uh mechanic

1263
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,280
in hollywood so

1264
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,599
bikram was so he knew all these rich

1265
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,440
people he knew they had all sorts of

1266
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,040
money just to fly around and they were

1267
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,040
stupid and these women would come in and

1268
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,680
just do whatever so he knew the routine

1269
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,599
and he just applied some basic

1270
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,000
techniques from a business standpoint

1271
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,599
you can't fault him from that but he's

1272
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,280
the only guy really kind of

1273
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,000
cashed in on it i mean i think

1274
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,760
patabhi joyce and ayengar i mean their

1275
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,960
kids and the other people in their

1276
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,800
family said hey we gotta

1277
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,880
start put the name on it and brand it

1278
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,240
and stuff like that but even then they

1279
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,480
didn't cash in it as much as all the

1280
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,599
money that's been made in yoga i mean

1281
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,680
a ton more money has been made than than

1282
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,079
those guys i mean to and to a certain

1283
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,440
extent you've got to feel sorry for them

1284
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,280
and that they didn't cash in at all but

1285
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,960
you can't feel sorry for petaby joyce

1286
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,880
because he was a creep

1287
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,280
yeah and so

1288
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,680
that's what tells me is that

1289
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,440
there was really nothing special about

1290
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:08,400
them and that's the glamour of maybe

1291
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:12,800
petaby joyce teaching to 150 people in a

1292
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:17,640
gym you know and being talented in his

1293
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,319
flexibility and his strength

1294
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,109
we're all at the whim of

1295
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,559
the confusion and the chaos of our mind

1296
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:30,240
of whether or not we

1297
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,800
decide to do good deeds or not and

1298
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,119
i think there's also

1299
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:39,760
this fallacy around

1300
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,040
the sanctity and the privacy of our mind

1301
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,000
right that within our mind

1302
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,800
we can be a absolutely of a

1303
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,920
person

1304
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:51,280
and

1305
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,920
translate when we start uh manipulating

1306
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,480
people and coercing them into things and

1307
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,040
then we think that because you know it's

1308
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,359
a private setting that

1309
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,000
it it's not ever gonna go out you know

1310
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,720
and you know the one thing that

1311
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,880
always sticks with me and what my father

1312
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,200
has always showed me is that

1313
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,640
integrity means that when you're alone

1314
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,880
and

1315
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,280
your actions when you're alone

1316
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,760
reflect the character of who you are

1317
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,359
right so

1318
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,440
as long as you can stay in integrity

1319
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,520
with your morality and your ethics that

1320
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,520
you are developing for yourself you know

1321
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,040
you put on a front that you're an honest

1322
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,040
person in life and around people but

1323
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,920
then behind closed doors you're you know

1324
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:39,040
you're

1325
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,359
is

1326
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,559
i think

1327
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,800
that's really what is at play with

1328
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,599
someone like watabe joyce or iangar

1329
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,480
where behind closed doors and in private

1330
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:53,440
that

1331
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:56,800
their true nature kind of comes out of

1332
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,680
still being a human still having desires

1333
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,599
still being at the whim of their

1334
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:03,520
sexuality and their

1335
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,559
uh want of pleasure and and whatnot and

1336
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,319
some of the things that i i looked into

1337
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,640
with batavi joyce and and how he would

1338
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,720
kind of justify his actions towards

1339
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,599
women is that everyone was so tight in

1340
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,440
their anus or something you know like

1341
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,440
everyone was so tight in their hips and

1342
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,880
so tight and

1343
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,599
there is this

1344
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,079
you know there's this practice called a

1345
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:30,880
fini mudra right where you clench uh

1346
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:33,760
your butthole and you hold it

1347
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,400
and that he would go around and like use

1348
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:38,319
his fingers to like

1349
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,599
press on on people's like ashwini mudra

1350
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,200
and

1351
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,640
i think there's this disconnect between

1352
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,880
what is appropriate or not

1353
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,599
with whatever state of mind he's in and

1354
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,559
whatever

1355
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,119
is okay in the western world which is

1356
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,200
ironic i think for me

1357
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,800
because when you go to india and i don't

1358
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,079
know if you've been to india but

1359
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,839
generally

1360
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,760
there's this like

1361
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,400
very like strict

1362
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,760
protocol of how men and women even like

1363
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,599
interact with each other

1364
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,800
right so

1365
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,720
it just seems kind of weird to be in a

1366
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,000
culture where you live in a family

1367
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,720
in one room with 10 people

1368
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,880
and

1369
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,400
like there's no

1370
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:28,880
there's like no i don't want to say it

1371
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:31,760
there's uh really no privacy around your

1372
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,119
sexual life but then to come to the west

1373
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:37,200
i think that's really just

1374
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,559
what has

1375
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,240
you know and it's all kind of hearsay

1376
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:43,040
because you know you're you have

1377
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,160
way

1378
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,000
uh more experience with this person than

1379
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,599
i do i can only go based on what i'm

1380
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,520
reading on the internet or in a book

1381
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:51,119
right but

1382
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:52,240
from

1383
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,559
country where there's

1384
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,480
so much poverty

1385
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,240
everything is so restrictive the

1386
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,520
traditions are

1387
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,920
very strong in how you interact with

1388
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:06,400
women to then come to the west in the

1389
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,160
70s and this and suddenly seeing just

1390
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,000
beautiful women everywhere and they're

1391
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:13,520
in bikinis you're on the beach you're

1392
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,040
just like holy i'm in paradise and

1393
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,359
to then

1394
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:22,319
have that sense of freedom of

1395
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:25,599
not only is batavi joyce very sought

1396
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,839
after as like this indian like master

1397
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:31,440
that then

1398
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,119
he can live out his wildest dreams that

1399
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,359
he never could right

1400
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,440
100

1401
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,880
and you know just to be clear just

1402
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,160
because we've thrown out some names and

1403
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,760
this is all inside baseball wouldn't

1404
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,440
have in any other way i'm not going to

1405
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,359
apologize for it but

1406
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,359
to to be clear

1407
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,520
bksi angar was never

1408
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,480
i haven't heard anything sexual involved

1409
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,559
in anything that he did so just to make

1410
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,960
that clear his thing was more you know

1411
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,799
slapping students being kind of

1412
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,799
domineering and kind of stuff like that

1413
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,400
and the way there's always always

1414
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,240
apologetics that go around with it and

1415
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,079
it's really somewhat racist the

1416
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,839
apologetics you know like

1417
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:12,400
oh ingar when he was young you know he

1418
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:13,119
was

1419
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,680
dark-skinned and all i'm sure are one

1420
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:23,839
thousand percent true you know i mean

1421
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,480
trying to break into that but at the end

1422
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,799
of the day it doesn't make them a bad

1423
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,720
like we're all struggling in this

1424
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,640
journey and we're all making mistakes

1425
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,559
and i'm making more mistakes and have

1426
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,799
made more mistakes it's just i just

1427
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,119
think it's it's part of this process i

1428
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,200
think is stripping away

1429
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,400
the associated with yoga

1430
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,040
in order to really let it

1431
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,960
come forth you know what i

1432
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:50,640
i want to circle back because i've heard

1433
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,760
some great interviews that you've done

1434
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,760
on your show and

1435
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,079
you're going deep and you're talking

1436
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,599
about all

1437
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,040
the struggles that people are having

1438
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,960
with their practice and how to help

1439
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,799
other people and you know the

1440
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,480
psychological barriers because there's

1441
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:07,680
all this

1442
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,559
the one thing i appreciate about what

1443
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:12,160
you're doing

1444
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,480
is you're holding on to yoga loosely and

1445
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,559
you're holding on to but what you're

1446
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:20,000
holding on to

1447
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,280
firmly

1448
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:22,880
is the metaphor

1449
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,160
yoga as a metaphor for

1450
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,119
spiritual transition spiritual growth

1451
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,799
spirit to spiritual

1452
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,040
development talk about

1453
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,680
talk about the metaphor if you will

1454
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,480
so what i've come to understand in my

1455
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,960
relationship say with my teacher

1456
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,079
bishoggi

1457
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,839
and my practice is that it points to

1458
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,760
self-mastery

1459
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,200
and i think

1460
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,960
where

1461
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,599
commonly people get caught up in

1462
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,799
adopting yoga as a kind of principle to

1463
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,920
life

1464
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,000
is that

1465
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,920
they associate their deeper experiences

1466
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,960
with

1467
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,040
the teacher that they have and so they

1468
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:10,240
hold tight onto that and they and they

1469
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,640
take their experience of yoga as

1470
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,960
literally only coming from their master

1471
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,319
and if they weren't

1472
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,319
able if they didn't have their master

1473
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,240
they didn't have their teacher that

1474
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,319
they'd be lost

1475
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,079
and

1476
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:28,640
so for me personally

1477
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,870
self-mastery is a choice

1478
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:37,760
in

1479
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,160
and that

1480
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,720
as a metaphor

1481
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,400
it can

1482
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:48,000
pave the way

1483
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,640
to

1484
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,160
[Music]

1485
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,359
living your life day to day

1486
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:54,720
where

1487
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,160
your joy and your happiness isn't based

1488
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,280
on anyone outside of yourself

1489
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,480
and so when you

1490
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,160
do your practice

1491
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:08,559
and you have your experience of your

1492
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,920
practice and you do your meditation

1493
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,240
that you fully realize that you were

1494
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,799
responsible for that and that though

1495
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,640
your teacher

1496
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:20,880
at some point could have been a helping

1497
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,040
hand to point towards that experience

1498
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:27,200
that

1499
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,640
mastery of

1500
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,839
whatever

1501
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,119
yoga is

1502
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,960
is an ongoing

1503
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,599
experience for the rest of your life

1504
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,119
and

1505
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:43,680
i think that's the

1506
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,200
trouble not troubling but that's the

1507
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,280
difficult part of yoga

1508
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:50,079
is when you go through initiations and

1509
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,440
you

1510
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:54,079
have deeper experiences

1511
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:54,960
that

1512
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:00,079
the rest of my life

1513
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,839
then it kind of lifts the

1514
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,640
burden off

1515
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:06,960
at least it did for me that

1516
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,359
i don't need to try to prove anything i

1517
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,680
don't need to try to force myself into

1518
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,720
anything

1519
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,640
i don't need to

1520
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:16,559
have this teacher

1521
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:17,440
to

1522
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,760
enlightenment that i do have the rest of

1523
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,280
my life for it

1524
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,200
and i can enjoy day by day the process

1525
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,240
of

1526
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,440
showing me what yoga can be because

1527
01:00:14,630 --> 00:59:32,400
i

1528
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,640
and people get all worked up about

1529
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,359
chakras and chakra energy healing and

1530
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,160
energy work and going to not putting it

1531
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:22,079
down and i'm sure there's there's

1532
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,200
practitioners who are energy workers who

1533
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,440
do things and and make things happen and

1534
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,040
i've met some of them and stuff like

1535
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,440
that but i really like where you took it

1536
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,359
you said what if we think about the

1537
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,559
chakras as metaphorical

1538
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:39,599
yeah

1539
01:01:07,109 --> 01:00:40,559
i

1540
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:07,119
these chakras and

1541
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,839
seeing

1542
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:11,599
that there are these psychological

1543
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,319
aspects of it when you look at where

1544
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,880
they're located and

1545
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,119
just some of the trigger words that are

1546
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:21,119
associated of it so like say with the

1547
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,720
root chakra and you look at survival and

1548
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,200
sexuality and

1549
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,599
yeah so say even like the second chakra

1550
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,839
with sexuality and pleasure

1551
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:32,720
that

1552
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,839
rather than focusing on this color

1553
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,599
and this shape

1554
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:39,440
you can actually go into your own

1555
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:43,599
psychology around all of that so what is

1556
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:47,040
my sexuality what are my pleasures who

1557
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,000
am i

1558
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:49,760
as this

1559
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,440
creative sexual person in the world why

1560
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,440
am i attracted to this person and not

1561
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,880
this person

1562
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,880
why is it that when i am attracted to

1563
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,720
this person these are the thoughts that

1564
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,799
i have and this is the way that i go

1565
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,599
about trying to make something happen

1566
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:07,680
that i think is going to tell you so

1567
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,799
much more about who you are than sitting

1568
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,359
and listening to some chakra meditation

1569
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:15,760
and having this like internal kind of

1570
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,880
fantastic dream like meditation

1571
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:20,880
where

1572
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,920
that goes really besides the point of

1573
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,599
what i think the chakras are actually

1574
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:27,680
there for it's more

1575
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,640
of

1576
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,079
like you're saying a metaphor and

1577
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,760
understanding is the psychology of

1578
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,359
and

1579
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,599
pretty much everything that i

1580
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,039
like to talk about when it comes to

1581
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,280
chakras and yogas i

1582
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:44,000
go based on what my experience is right

1583
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:45,280
so

1584
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,160
i've seen for myself when i explored the

1585
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,440
chakras this way and i looked at my

1586
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,319
psychology around it it allowed me in

1587
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,960
the moment to shift how i communicate to

1588
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,079
people

1589
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,000
and that's where i've

1590
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,240
witnessed the benefit of of

1591
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:04,799
understanding the system and

1592
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,000
so then

1593
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,079
it makes sense to me that

1594
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:10,640
when you look at

1595
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,480
the chakras from the past

1596
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:15,760
that

1597
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,039
there wasn't anything about the rainbows

1598
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,119
there wasn't anything about like

1599
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,280
focusing on the colors and

1600
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:26,400
and all the stuff that's all really new

1601
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:27,440
within

1602
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,480
yoga system right so i just think

1603
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:35,039
personally it's important to

1604
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,720
look at it that way and that

1605
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,480
there's going to be a much more benefit

1606
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:42,160
to it than

1607
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,440
otherwise

1608
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:45,280
that makes sense

1609
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:46,000
so

1610
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:47,359
how how do you

1611
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:50,000
process deal with the

1612
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,119
doing

1613
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,480
part of yoga you know because

1614
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,839
obviously we're

1615
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,240
as we connect to this spirituality one

1616
01:04:01,029 --> 01:04:00,160
of the things we're connecting with is

1617
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:01,039
the

1618
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,000
ultimate reality to that logical reality

1619
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,400
to a rational reality to it

1620
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,640
you know you are not in

1621
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:14,079
in some

1622
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:18,720
who you think you are and you are not

1623
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,760
individualized in some way so

1624
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,440
yoga is all about

1625
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,280
doing and it's very physical and a lot

1626
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:27,680
of us who are drawn to it we understand

1627
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:30,720
that that was a hook for us

1628
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,000
but ultimately don't we get

1629
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:37,200
confronted with the doing part of that

1630
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,240
like

1631
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,000
and this is another level of the

1632
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:43,200
metaphorical kind of part of it you know

1633
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,400
like

1634
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,640
one of the metaphors that i remember way

1635
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,119
back from one of my teachers is uh don't

1636
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,680
anticipate the pose right

1637
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,119
simple like an instruction don't

1638
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:56,000
anticipate the pose you're in one pose

1639
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,680
especially if you're doing ashtanga yoga

1640
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,960
you know there's a sequence and it's

1641
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:00,880
always the same sequence i think it's

1642
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:03,680
really great because it it like what we

1643
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:05,200
want to do is westerners and you see

1644
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,880
this all the yoga

1645
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,480
videos on youtube they're always oh we

1646
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,640
change them up and you can change them

1647
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:12,720
no just do the same thing every

1648
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:15,520
day and realize that every

1649
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,079
breath is unique every breath is new

1650
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,640
there can be no repeating because

1651
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:22,720
everything changes all the time but

1652
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,920
anyways

1653
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,200
there is still this doing part of it

1654
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,200
and then at this deeper level we're

1655
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:32,160
always confronted with the part of who

1656
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:34,880
is the doer and is there really a doer

1657
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,280
and is there really anything to do

1658
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,680
and as i stretch and i try and stretch

1659
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,400
further where am i stretching

1660
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,119
you get my point how are you processing

1661
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:48,319
the action the doing thing

1662
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:51,119
i view it through my relationship with

1663
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,319
control

1664
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,480
and

1665
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,039
really examining whether or not i'm in

1666
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,880
control in the moment

1667
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:00,160
and

1668
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,280
because we are so intimately tied to

1669
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:04,720
this body

1670
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,880
we think that every action that we do

1671
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,599
is based on our own control

1672
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,440
and

1673
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,240
it seems like what a strong yoga

1674
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:18,559
practice is indicating

1675
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:20,559
is that

1676
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:22,799
through connecting to your breath and

1677
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:26,000
not anticipating the postures and moving

1678
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,160
through it that you release control

1679
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,119
and that you can go from the start to

1680
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,480
the end of the whole experience

1681
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,559
totally taking a step back and

1682
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,880
witnessing everything that's happening

1683
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,400
and even though

1684
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,799
you still feel that

1685
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,720
you are making the movements and that

1686
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:49,200
you are the one

1687
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,720
providing

1688
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,319
all the energy

1689
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:54,799
that taking that step back you start to

1690
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,960
see that everything is just happening

1691
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:00,480
and

1692
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,400
i think that is the scary

1693
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,880
thing to most people is because we just

1694
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,160
have it

1695
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,559
really well anchored in our mind that

1696
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,079
we're in control of everything that

1697
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,359
we're doing

1698
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:15,119
and

1699
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,880
to have this experience where

1700
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,480
possibly something greater than

1701
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:21,599
ourselves

1702
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,400
is really in control of everything can

1703
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,720
really be illuminating

1704
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,720
sense that

1705
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,880
this realm that we're in in this world

1706
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,160
that we're in

1707
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,720
is really so fleeting

1708
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:36,240
and

1709
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:40,079
okay

1710
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,960
to take a step back and so then when we

1711
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:47,039
have that experience in our yoga

1712
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,839
practice where we get good at that we

1713
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,680
get good at maintaining our connection

1714
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:53,680
to our breath we get good at taking a

1715
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,680
step back and watching and

1716
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,599
everything is still there all the

1717
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,319
feelings are still there all even the

1718
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:03,920
thoughts are still there

1719
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:06,720
but there's this witnessing

1720
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,359
that shines the light on why all those

1721
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,200
thoughts are there why all those

1722
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,920
sensations are there and it's not a

1723
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:17,679
verbal thing

1724
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,560
it's

1725
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,880
really

1726
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,920
as if we are walking in the dark and we

1727
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:25,440
stub our toe

1728
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,799
and we have a flashlight and we go

1729
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,799
why did i what did i stub my toe on why

1730
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,799
did i stub my toe but if you're not ever

1731
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,400
going to shine the light on it to see

1732
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,159
what's there you're just going to be

1733
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,799
stuck in this confusion of why why why

1734
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:40,000
why why

1735
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:41,040
and so

1736
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:41,839
to

1737
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:45,920
a step back and shine a light on

1738
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,960
everything that's happening

1739
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:51,359
it starts to make sense why

1740
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,199
right so

1741
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:55,359
say if you were to take a beginner

1742
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,400
in the practice right and they tell you

1743
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,640
oh i it's hard for me to do yoga because

1744
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,719
i'm not flexible right it's like well

1745
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,960
why are you not flexible

1746
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,520
and the answer could be just simple is

1747
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,880
because they've never done any

1748
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,679
stretching in their life and

1749
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,600
from the day that they're born to the

1750
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,359
day that they're about to do the yoga

1751
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,040
practice

1752
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:19,199
every single day they've moved in a

1753
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,480
particular way

1754
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,759
and

1755
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,400
it's a very basic movement of just

1756
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,279
getting up walking to and fro and just

1757
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,920
that simple pattern of doing the same

1758
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:31,839
thing every day

1759
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,199
without ever stretching at all you come

1760
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,040
to the yoga practice and you start doing

1761
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,520
movements that you've never done before

1762
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:41,759
you start opening up your hips you've

1763
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,719
never opened before you start doing

1764
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,880
lunges you've never done before

1765
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,719
and

1766
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,319
what i've found is

1767
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,000
with through teaching yoga over the last

1768
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,920
like 12 years

1769
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:55,440
is that

1770
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,640
there's this strong resistance

1771
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,199
to take a step back to begin with

1772
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:03,760
because the sensations are so strong

1773
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,040
and it triggers everything within

1774
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,640
to

1775
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:10,320
reject

1776
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,760
the experience and to not even want to

1777
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,320
participate in it at all but what

1778
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,400
happens is that the more and more

1779
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,080
you start to show up the more and more

1780
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,280
you start to participate on

1781
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,760
whatever level if it's a daily or weekly

1782
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:28,320
or whatever that over a period of time

1783
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,040
things start to open and it's through

1784
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,760
that opening that allows you to take a

1785
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,520
step back

1786
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:36,960
and

1787
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:40,800
each time there's this unraveling where

1788
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,640
in the beginning of the yoga of the

1789
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,040
yoga experience your very first class

1790
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,040
there was no opening at all everything

1791
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,120
is super tight everything is super rigid

1792
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:53,199
it's super hard to do everything

1793
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:57,120
to a year ahead where suddenly those

1794
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,400
postures

1795
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,199
are no longer super tight your body is

1796
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,239
no longer super rigid and

1797
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,560
you're able to sit in a posture and

1798
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,880
breathe and experience

1799
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:09,840
and

1800
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,600
holy i know exactly why my body was

1801
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,400
rigid now i know exactly why and the

1802
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:22,800
intelligence of your entire being will

1803
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,320
show you it'll bring up those memories

1804
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:29,440
it'll bring up an injury or an accident

1805
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:30,719
that you had when you were eight years

1806
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:34,159
old or when you were 16 or whatever

1807
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:35,280
that

1808
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,400
you never really had

1809
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,000
and

1810
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,000
that's what i think is really important

1811
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:46,320
to understand in the yoga process and

1812
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:49,679
and the experience is that your body

1813
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,159
will start communicating to you in a way

1814
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,480
that you never thought it could before

1815
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,640
and it's through the release and the

1816
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:58,400
openness of all that tension and all

1817
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,520
that energy so you gotta think that

1818
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,120
every day we use our muscles and

1819
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,719
especially when things tighten and and

1820
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,560
uh tense up

1821
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:09,600
is that

1822
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,520
there's so much stored in that and

1823
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:15,840
i always try to be careful in explaining

1824
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,880
this stuff because i don't want to be

1825
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,800
just like that typical yoga teacher that

1826
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,199
just says like oh you have storied

1827
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,880
emotions in your body that you need to

1828
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,640
release

1829
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,480
how i like to go about explaining this

1830
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,080
is that

1831
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:33,040
the energy that you are

1832
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,000
putting out

1833
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,199
physiologically through your nervous

1834
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,800
system and through your connective

1835
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,080
tissues

1836
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,679
is that

1837
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:46,800
your nervous system is going to store

1838
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,320
energy into the tissues themselves and

1839
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,800
the more your tissues get bound up and

1840
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,120
the more your connective tissues and

1841
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:57,520
your muscles get bound up

1842
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,400
the

1843
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:01,120
more more difficult it is to release

1844
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,560
that energy and so essentially what yoga

1845
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,880
is doing is it's allow you to make it's

1846
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,520
allowing you to make little micro tears

1847
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,120
into the connective tissues and the

1848
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,480
muscles themselves to release

1849
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:16,080
through the nervous system at those

1850
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:17,040
points

1851
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,480
and

1852
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,080
i think that's what's associated to

1853
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:23,360
emotional release because you're having

1854
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:26,400
these like pockets of energy release

1855
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,840
and because your brain is processing all

1856
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,120
of this

1857
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:33,600
all the time

1858
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,880
that energy will go throughout your body

1859
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:38,880
and even go into your brain and your

1860
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,080
brain will show you

1861
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,800
what that was and so you just got to

1862
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,239
think about then if you were to do that

1863
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,640
every single day

1864
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,000
your

1865
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,800
body is gonna communicate to you exactly

1866
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,719
all

1867
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,840
that is

1868
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,320
held within yourself

1869
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,440
kinda maybe sort of possibly can you do

1870
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:03,360
yoga if you're in a wheelchair

1871
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,040
i think yeah yeah

1872
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,199
so i mean doesn't that that's always the

1873
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,040
thing that that like i get everything

1874
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,640
you're saying and i don't disagree i've

1875
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,719
experienced it personally and i've seen

1876
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,120
hundreds of other people experience it

1877
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,719
i just gotta pull up on that a little

1878
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,239
bit i gotta go skeptical on that a

1879
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,239
little bit and it's like

1880
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,560
it is all that but it's something

1881
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,400
more than that it's something different

1882
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,480
than that and you can get there through

1883
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,800
a bunch of different paths

1884
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,159
yeah and that's why there are the

1885
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,080
different kinds of yoga right there's

1886
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,640
bhakti yoga and karma yoga and

1887
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,320
those are just names those are just

1888
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,320
names too i mean these are all

1889
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:40,960
consciousness exercises the basic idea

1890
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,600
is simple who are we why are we here and

1891
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:45,760
we're asking that question through the

1892
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,320
body just like we can sit and ask it

1893
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,480
through the breath and ask it through

1894
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,679
i mean that's what you're saying you

1895
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,679
know bhakti you can ask it through

1896
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,520
service you can ask it through love you

1897
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:58,159
can ask but it's just consciousness

1898
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:59,920
exercises

1899
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,080
but it's beautiful and what you do is

1900
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,080
beautiful and then you're a musician too

1901
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:07,440
so how was that kind of informing

1902
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:10,800
your awesome work as a yoga teacher

1903
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,040
yeah music started to show up with yoga

1904
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,800
when i started playing

1905
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,199
guitar for yoga classes so

1906
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:21,199
the funny thing is that

1907
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,159
i tried my hardest to get into like rock

1908
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,520
bands and metal bands and nothing would

1909
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,880
work out

1910
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,920
and

1911
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,600
when i

1912
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,600
started teaching yoga and i started

1913
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,880
getting into

1914
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,199
the kind of yoga community in edmonton

1915
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,280
here is that

1916
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:43,110
started to

1917
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,800
develop my

1918
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,280
just guitar playing in a way where i

1919
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,840
could just improvise on the spot

1920
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,040
and

1921
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:54,239
that is what opened me up to then

1922
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,080
play guitar for yoga classes and

1923
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,840
that time in my life so that was like

1924
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,440
several years ago

1925
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:03,520
was one of the most beautiful

1926
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:07,840
experiences for yoga that i have had of

1927
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,800
being able to sit with you know 20 to 30

1928
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:12,000
students

1929
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:15,280
and completely improvise for an hour and

1930
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,480
a half

1931
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:18,560
and

1932
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,600
what

1933
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,520
people should experience in meditation

1934
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,280
of like you need to sit down you need to

1935
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:31,520
be in low disposition or you know you

1936
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,719
have to have your eyes closed you need

1937
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,280
to be chanting a mantra

1938
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:40,229
those experiences

1939
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:44,239
brought me into meditative states that

1940
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:47,600
i have never had just kind of seeded

1941
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:49,440
trying to meditate

1942
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,239
where i'm pushing boundaries

1943
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,640
of what i think i can do and every time

1944
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,320
i came into the class and i was about to

1945
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,480
play i would sit down and i would just

1946
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:00,480
tell myself okay i have no idea what i'm

1947
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,600
gonna do

1948
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:03,840
and i'm kind of scared right now but i

1949
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:06,560
think i just need to work through

1950
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:10,400
what i'm feeling and just trust that

1951
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,280
it's all going to

1952
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:16,960
work itself out and

1953
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:20,080
sometimes it wouldn't work and my

1954
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,120
playing

1955
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,520
wouldn't be as substantial as other

1956
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,199
times but

1957
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:30,630
opportunity to

1958
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,920
provide this like musical soundscape for

1959
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:35,199
people

1960
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,120
and to have

1961
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,199
a teacher

1962
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,120
totally integrate into what i was

1963
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:43,120
playing

1964
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:44,480
allowed for

1965
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,159
just this beautiful experience of

1966
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:50,880
connecting to people in a whole new way

1967
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,520
that i really never could imagine

1968
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,199
and so

1969
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,719
i would say for

1970
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,199
just for myself personally

1971
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:01,840
even my journey with music and guitar

1972
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:04,000
has been spiritual

1973
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,960
and

1974
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,600
there's this self-development

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that occurs just learning music in

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general

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and you know i realized for myself that

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i'm not going to be in a rock band i'm

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not going to be this like famous

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musician and i started to look at okay

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so then why am i even doing this you

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know like

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why does it matter that i can

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you know play these crazy songs and it

1985
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:31,840
just came down to personal development

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and what i'm learning about myself and

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how

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music itself is this powerful tool in

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self-expression because there'd be times

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where

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01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,400
i'd be feeling

1992
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,080
all kinds of emotions i'd be pissed off

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01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,760
about something and i'd play my pick up

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01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,120
my guitar and start playing and i'd

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01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,679
start playing or making up this like

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01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:55,199
beautiful

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i'm feeling terrible

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and

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so that just showed me that

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there's this power

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involved in this in having the skill to

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01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:11,600
play an instrument where

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01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,120
the instrument itself is static and it

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01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:18,000
on its own it does nothing but then

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01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,040
you

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01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,679
and having all these feelings can

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01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,120
channel

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01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,669
right through the instrument and bring

2009
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,159
life to something that is seemingly

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01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:32,000
lifeless

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01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,440
very cool

2012
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:35,440
yeah people need to check it out

2013
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:38,480
zornanda has been our guest host of the

2014
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:42,080
yoga connection podcast

2015
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,360
what else

2016
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:45,679
do you want to leave people with

2017
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:46,400
so

2018
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,440
my work largely now

2019
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,679
is understanding

2020
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,239
the power of the heart and

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01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,159
what it means to

2022
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,280
live from the heart and

2023
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:01,040
it's something that i think is glossed

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01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,840
over typically

2025
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,400
because

2026
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:06,719
there's this attachment of a feminine

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01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,159
quality

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01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,000
to it where

2029
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,880
what i like to tell people is that

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your ability to be a loving person and

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01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:16,840
to be compassionate and

2032
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:20,000
empathetic is a superpower in the sense

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01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,440
that

2034
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,719
the heart is such an intelligent place

2035
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,719
and it's such an intelligent

2036
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:29,360
being and operating tool

2037
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:30,639
that

2038
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:31,840
when you can give yourself the

2039
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,320
permission to go into your heart and

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01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:36,560
live from your heart

2041
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,080
you'll see for yourself that

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01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:42,320
your life can be

2043
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,719
so beautiful and it can be so abundant

2044
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:49,120
even if that means you don't become a

2045
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,800
millionaire or

2046
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:53,199
you live in an apartment and you just

2047
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:56,159
have your cat and sometimes you feel

2048
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,360
alone in this whole weird up

2049
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:00,960
world that we're in

2050
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:03,840
but to give yourself the opportunity to

2051
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:07,520
go into the center and this organ and

2052
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,040
this place within yourself that's

2053
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:11,679
providing you life and it's providing

2054
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,440
you the circulation is providing you the

2055
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,360
wherewithal in

2056
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:19,840
even wanting to be a loving person

2057
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,080
that you don't have to change anything

2058
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:24,080
you don't even have to do yoga you don't

2059
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,840
even have to play music you don't have

2060
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:27,600
to do anything you don't

2061
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:31,280
you don't have to try to prove anything

2062
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:32,560
that

2063
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,790
is in you and it's

2064
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,800
giving you right now

2065
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:43,040
everything you need to be alive

2066
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:44,320
and

2067
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,600
that

2068
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:46,480
you

2069
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:47,440
are

2070
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,080
a special person

2071
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:52,320
even though we're all not special people

2072
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,760
you know

2073
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:54,159
[Music]

2074
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:55,040
right

2075
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,280
very good very good well awesome having

2076
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:02,000
you on my brother and uh

2077
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,840
keep doing it and keep you still do

2078
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,679
classes regular training if people get

2079
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:07,520
up to edmonton do you have a studio and

2080
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,639
stuff like that do you do classes uh

2081
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:13,360
currently i do not i've just taken a

2082
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:15,040
step away from

2083
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:15,760
the

2084
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:18,880
yoga studio world and right now i do

2085
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:23,679
privates and i'm largely focusing on

2086
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,040
music i'm working on a new album and

2087
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:29,760
my podcast and and my life here in the

2088
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,199
work that i do so the one small thing i

2089
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,400
just want to uh correct is i change the

2090
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:38,080
name of my podcast from the renegade

2091
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,679
yogi to uh the yoga connection oh you're

2092
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:43,760
right right yeah you know what i've seen

2093
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:46,000
the old ones i'm sorry so go ahead i'm

2094
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,760
sorry go ahead please yeah know what nah

2095
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,480
no worries so yeah the yoga connection

2096
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,400
uh with zoranda i

2097
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:56,639
my most recent episode is with my

2098
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,320
teacher yogirishi vishwakatu and yeah

2099
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:02,800
you can check out my website zoranda.com

2100
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:05,199
it has my music on it has my book future

2101
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,560
life progression

2102
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,480
has the meditations that go along with

2103
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,080
it so yeah most of the work that i'm

2104
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,120
doing uh right now is privates with i'm

2105
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,960
doing a future life progression heart

2106
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:16,639
based meditation

2107
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:20,880
and uh private yoga sessions as well so

2108
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,679
feel free to reach out uh on my website

2109
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:25,760
you can email me there or you can find

2110
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,440
me on instagram at yogi.zoranda

2111
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,960
i'm kind of all over the place because

2112
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,239
i'm the type of person that

2113
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:34,719
loves everything so not only do i do

2114
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,040
yoga i'm like training in crossfit i

2115
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,800
play uh

2116
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,199
you know guitar and i love music and

2117
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:44,080
yeah just makes life fun i

2118
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,679
yeah so

2119
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,199
life ought to be fun

2120
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,440
yeah okay zarnanda awesome having you on

2121
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,960
thanks buddy

2122
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,800
you're very very welcome

2123
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,960
thanks again to zornanda for joining me

2124
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,639
today on skeptico

2125
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,560
the one question i t up from this

2126
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,520
interview is what do you think about

2127
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,960
yoga

2128
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,120
what it was what it is

2129
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,600
what it's going to be

2130
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,679
any yogi's out there

2131
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:11,360
let me know your thoughts love to hear

2132
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,560
from you

2133
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,400
so i have some

2134
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,199
just really cool stuff coming up

2135
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,520
i hope you stick with me for all of that

2136
01:24:23,980 --> 01:24:21,760
until next time take care

2137
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:23,990
and bye for now